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[Dale180se]

I was out doing a couple of power turns and I noticed I could only do 6500RPM. Went home pulled hose. SC Washers were gone. Time for washer up grade. The way I see it if your doos SC washer are still good your not riding it hard, Or my BRP dealer put synthetic oil in it at 10hrs service? Is there a way of telling  synthetic oil from 4 stroke oil? Going to get Doo fixed ASAP! The season just started for me it seems 30hrs.  Did I say I hate snow?

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[Kevin Leclair]

Wow, that is crazy!  Keep us posted on the repairs.  

That is great picture!  

[Dale180se]

Kevin Leclair, on Sep 5 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

Wow, that is crazy!  Keep us posted on the repairs.  

That is great picture!  

Im all over it!  MY BRP dealer said he will call back this afternoon?? to get me in. I think im going call some where else to see if they can do the work. Thanks.

[Dale180se]

Dale180se, on Sep 5 2008, 01:13 PM, said:

Im all over it!  MY BRP dealer said he will call back this afternoon?? to get me in. I think im going call some where else to see if they can do the work. Thanks.

Boats at the shop.  They seem to play dumb about the steel washer up grade?? Its like BRP tells the dealers to tell the customers that they never had problems with ceramic washers. BRP do not want to admit to the problem?? Is there a upgrade kit offered from BRP yet Or just from aftermarket companies  Riva?  I was going to get washer up graded, but figure id take my chances as I had warranty.  Thanks .

[Kevin Leclair]

It would be nice if SeaDoo would offer some type of recall on these washers.  It really worries me that ours are going to go out too!  

[Dale180se]

Kevin Leclair, on Sep 6 2008, 05:36 PM, said:

It would be nice if SeaDoo would offer some type of recall on these washers.  It really worries me that ours are going to go out too!  

Not going to say take them out! Its going to cost you about $250.00 to pull SC  and take to dealer for steel washers.  But after washer are replace the problem lies with the ceramic fragments that are left behind.  They kill the oil pump which will starve the engine of oil. Then you know what happens next!

[Dale180se]

Kevin Leclair, on Sep 5 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

Wow, that is crazy!  Keep us posted on the repairs.  

That is great picture!  

He haw! Boats ready to go. Upgrade kit available!  I guess im going to take the rest of the day and go get the beast and go dooing!  Im going to try to put at least 20HRS on it yet this year.

[Kevin Leclair]

Very nice, congrats on the fix!  

[gotmdx]

Kevin Leclair, on Sep 6 2008, 06:36 PM, said:

It would be nice if SeaDoo would offer some type of recall on these washers.  It really worries me that ours are going to go out too!  

Yeah, that's the sad part. You'll never know when it's going to happen. As I said b4, it's like a heart attack..it will sneak on us anytime.   I believe BRP recognized the problem. However, they will only "fix" it under warranty only when it breaks. And that's probably the time you take the boat out without your cell phone; then you're stranded, coast guard calls for a tow boat..$300(tow charge) later -you're on your way to the dealer. Not a great scenario, eh? I wonder if I'll get reimbursed on the tow charge? I love my boat, the price, the performance. I just don't want to ruin my day for something that should have been avoided in the first place. IMO, BRP should just have a better design on the SC/washer unit to replace all current ones. Damn! I am willing to pay for up to $500 on a factory replacement as long as I know that the unit won't break especially when I have my family with me cruising around Colorado River. just my 2 centavos....

[Dale180se]

gotmdx, on Sep 9 2008, 07:50 PM, said:

Yeah, that's the sad part. You'll never know when it's going to happen. As I said b4, it's like a heart attack..it will sneak on us anytime.   I believe BRP recognized the problem. However, they will only "fix" it under warranty only when it breaks. And that's probably the time you take the boat out without your cell phone; then you're stranded, coast guard calls for a tow boat..$300(tow charge) later -you're on your way to the dealer. Not a great scenario, eh? I wonder if I'll get reimbursed on the tow charge? I love my boat, the price, the performance. I just don't want to ruin my day for something that should have been avoided in the first place. IMO, BRP should just have a better design on the SC/washer unit to replace all current ones. Damn! I am willing to pay for up to $500 on a factory replacement as long as I know that the unit won't break especially when I have my family with me cruising around Colorado River. just my 2 centavos....

Boat ran flawless! 8080RPM  right out of the gate!  Titanium washers. Need to be replaced every 100Hrs or so. But they charged me $155.00 for the oil change. I didnt want to bitch because there the second closest BRP Dealer, And they were fast! BUT I will Bitch to BRP. haha! B.e.s.t. warranty deductible was $50.00 on that bill.  I love this boat and I dont think it would leave you stranded unless you blow the 4tec up! Touch wood. I really dont know wye BRP dont recall them, But they really dont think they have a problem! I just cant see that??

[Kevin Leclair]

Awesome, glad to hear it is running great again!  

[Dale180se]

Kevin Leclair, on Sep 10 2008, 12:13 PM, said:

Awesome, glad to hear it is running great again!  

Thanks Kevin.

[Dale180se]

Dale180se, on Sep 6 2008, 10:16 AM, said:

Boats at the shop.  They seem to play dumb about the steel washer up grade?? Its like BRP tells the dealers to tell the customers that they never had problems with ceramic washers. BRP do not want to admit to the problem?? Is there a upgrade kit offered from BRP yet Or just from aftermarket companies  Riva?  I was going to get washer up graded, but figure id take my chances as I had warranty.  Thanks .

We havent heard from our BRP dealer Keviseeb on this subject?? Hes not touching this topic with a ten foot pole. I would really like to hear his point of view. Wonder how long my Doo going to run once thoughts fragments get a hold of my oil pump. 4hours on DOO since upgrade and no problems yet. Touch wood. Keviseeb im not trying to be a smart a## I resect your knowledge and advise. It just seems the dealers are very tight liped about the sc washer problem.

[keviseeb]

Dale180se, on Sep 19 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

We havent heard from our BRP dealer Keviseeb on this subject?? Hes not touching this topic with a ten foot pole. I would really like to hear his point of view. Wonder how long my Doo going to run once thoughts fragments get a hold of my oil pump. 4hours on DOO since upgrade and no problems yet. Touch wood. Keviseeb im not trying to be a smart a## I resect your knowledge and advise. It just seems the dealers are very tight liped about the sc washer problem.

Dale, this could be a very long response or short....lets go with the short. My first time available to go to Sea Doo Sport Boats was yesterday, I apologize for giving input into the 5 or 6 subjects I did and missing this one. Of the well over 100 posts I have done in the past I have intently given facts each and every time. The subject of washers has been discussed many times, as a dealer we have had very few come backs for washer failure which is a relatively low amount by anybody's standards. I have also said that personal watercraft operators have a higher failure rate primarily because our research has shown throttle management has not been practiced while the vessel was airborne therefore when the vessel landed the clutches were placed under a great deal of stress. It is a fact that there have been washer improvements in 2006 to boats and PWC models and then again in 2008 to PWC models only. The titanium coated steel washers will be on all supercharged engines including boats. Keep in mind we are not the manufacturer, when they make product improvements it is entirely up to them. For obvious reasons they don't instruct dealers what to say or what not say about any mechanical issues. If we see a trend in maintenance items we tell them, if they see a trend they issue service bullentins or recalls as required. As manufacturers go BRP is the most forthcoming we have ever seen. As far as other dealers being "tight lipped" I wish more would be like that! The bulk of the answers I post in this forum are a result of unknowledgable dealers talking about things they make up as they go along. On a technical note if a ceramic washer has failed and all parts have been caught by the screen then a new titanium coated steel washer assembly is installed however if the bearings have come apart then a teardown is performed. ALL parts of the supercharger assembly are accounted for at which time a new assembly is bolted on. That is BRP's procedure and although we haven't had to do it very much we think it is the best way to handle it. If you suspect the wrong oil was used then a sample should have been sent away for analysis. We have done that on one occaision because of the Mobil 1 container we found in the boat and found that the individual used synthetic oil when he did his own oil change. Alright, so maybe the answer wasn't that short.

Kevin Seeber
Kingsland Marine

[ZZSDMSMY]

I bought the 3 year extended warranty, just because of this issue.  Now, my local dealer informed me that these washers will only be covered under that warranty if they explode, or fail in other ways not caused by normal wear and tear!
I asked what or who determines that, especially since my boat is and never has been getting the full rpm's, according to specs.  Not to mention the reputation of these washers!
Did not recieve a satisfactory answer

ZZSDMSMY

[Dale180se]

keviseeb, on Sep 20 2008, 12:38 PM, said:

Dale, this could be a very long response or short....lets go with the short. My first time available to go to Sea Doo Sport Boats was yesterday, I apologize for giving input into the 5 or 6 subjects I did and missing this one. Of the well over 100 posts I have done in the past I have intently given facts each and every time. The subject of washers has been discussed many times, as a dealer we have had very few come backs for washer failure which is a relatively low amount by anybody's standards. I have also said that personal watercraft operators have a higher failure rate primarily because our research has shown throttle management has not been practiced while the vessel was airborne therefore when the vessel landed the clutches were placed under a great deal of stress. It is a fact that there have been washer improvements in 2006 to boats and PWC models and then again in 2008 to PWC models only. The titanium coated steel washers will be on all supercharged engines including boats. Keep in mind we are not the manufacturer, when they make product improvements it is entirely up to them. For obvious reasons they don't instruct dealers what to say or what not say about any mechanical issues. If we see a trend in maintenance items we tell them, if they see a trend they issue service bullentins or recalls as required. As manufacturers go BRP is the most forthcoming we have ever seen. As far as other dealers being "tight lipped" I wish more would be like that! The bulk of the answers I post in this forum are a result of unknowledgable dealers talking about things they make up as they go along. On a technical note if a ceramic washer has failed and all parts have been caught by the screen then a new titanium coated steel washer assembly is installed however if the bearings have come apart then a teardown is performed. ALL parts of the supercharger assembly are accounted for at which time a new assembly is bolted on. That is BRP's procedure and although we haven't had to do it very much we think it is the best way to handle it. If you suspect the wrong oil was used then a sample should have been sent away for analysis. We have done that on one occaision because of the Mobil 1 container we found in the boat and found that the individual used synthetic oil when he did his own oil change. Alright, so maybe the answer wasn't that short.

Kevin Seeber
Kingsland Marine

When I bought the boat I know of the problem with sc washers, and know that I had to let off the gas when airborne. Where I boat it is very seldom theres no waves, So I must admit that  supercharger spun rapidly about 6 time only. When the washer went thare was no air involved! The first dealer I went to said he never rebuilt a sc clutch before in 3 years of business. Hmm! Glad he didnt call me back for 2 weeks. The second dealer was good but said when I asked about fragments in engine he said they got to mush, Exact words. I could see mush going thought screens. Just like people said. Kaboom!  Thanks Keviseeb or your response. Just trying to make conversation. I still love the boat! Oh ya the Boats only got 46hrs on it now.

[jeepster]

You WANT REAL facts....? Go there : www.Greenhulk.net

Yes those washers are piece of S**T....that's why i removed mines, rebuilted the supercharger to the 06-07 specs, and did install the Riva Racing metal washer in it....2 seasons already, and i am really satisfied about the upgrade.

[brade07]

i just bought a 09' challenger 180 with the 215hp 4-tec. In 09' did sea-doo switch all the washers over to steel??
I would like to know cause if mine are the ceramic ones im definitely getting them replaced.

[Gerrymon]

brade07, on May 18 2009, 05:54 PM, said:

i just bought a 09' challenger 180 with the 215hp 4-tec. In 09' did sea-doo switch all the washers over to steel??
I would like to know cause if mine are the ceramic ones im definitely getting them replaced.

I just bought an 09 C180 w 215 too.  Have you received a reply or know the answer to your question yet?

[scout_herald]

Gerrymon, on Aug 21 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

I just bought an 09 C180 w 215 too. Have you received a reply or know the answer to your question yet?

I just talked to my BRP dealer in colorado springs and BRP has changed NOTHING and he warned me about the washer change at 75 to 100 hours.  (255hp 09 challenger)